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in the 1930s president franklin delano

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roosevelt addressed the nation through a

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series of radio broadcasts known as the

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fireside chats his aim was to reassure

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the common man that our society would

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recover from its troubled times well

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are the higher side chats

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here we go people from sunny san diego

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i'm greg carlwood and we've been at this

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long enough by now to know that the

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corporate media is not doing the job

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that media should do

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in fact they act more as a filter for

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making sure certain scandals take

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precedent over others that they fuel the

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fires the two-party rage that stories

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like the epstein saga don't get deep

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enough to expose the whole system

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and maybe most importantly that their

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sponsors and partners are properly

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shielded from any negative press

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and it's getting so bad now that even

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people who have drank the corporate

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media kool-aid for years are seeing

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through the carefully crafted narratives

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and are looking anywhere they can to

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find some integrity objectivity and

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actual intelligence in their news

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well folks i hope today's show marks a

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digital signpost to point you to the

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work of our amazing guest whitney webb

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not only has whitney gotten some

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well-deserved recent attention for her

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incredibly detailed deep dive into the

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epstein saga with her book length

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four-part series the jeffrey epstein

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scandal too big to fail but she's also

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written about a number of subjects few

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others are including international

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election meddling cia coups the

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weaponized algorithms of silicon valley

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the finer points of the cozy

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relationship between the us and israel

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and so much more

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whitney is currently working as a mint

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press news journalist based in chile but

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she has also contributed to several

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independent media outlets including

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global research eco watch the ron paul

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institute and 21st century wire among

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others

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she's also made several radio and

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television appearances now as well and

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is the 2019 winner of the serena shim

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award for uncompromising integrity in

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journalism and that is no small thing so

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let's get into it boldly going where few

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others dare to tread the criminal cabal

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colorador the independent journalist

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extraordinaire and a righteous thorn in

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the paw of the empire whitney the web

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exposer web welcome to the higher side

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hey it's my pleasure to be here

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yes well thanks for doing it i know

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you're in high demand after your epstein

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coverage really amazing work there and

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i'm sure we'll get into it but i am

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intrigued by some of the more global

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aspects of your work and even your move

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to chile obviously a lot of us can get

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stuck in the american bubble and we lose

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sight of our global view even on a show

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like this we might cover

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5g or geoengineering or mkultra even and

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we talk a lot about how the capstone

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cabal affects the american microcosm but

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we don't get out of that lane as much as

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we should so to kick this off

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i'm curious to hear a bit about your

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experience moving out of the states and

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how you see the big empire affecting the

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region of the world where you now reside

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well you know i originally came to south

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america thinking i wanted to get away

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from stuff in the us that i saw you know

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that's still going on today but you know

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i saw coming anyway like a long time ago

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when i left in in 2012 after i graduated

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from college and i kind of thought that

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here in the middle of nowhere

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in in southern chile because i live i

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live pretty far down south uh not that

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far from antarctica actually i thought i

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would you know be safe here right but

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the more i i learned about you know

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south america specifically in some of

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the geopolitical things going on in

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patagonia specifically which is you know

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the region where i live i came to

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realize that a lot of the stuff i was

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writing about was actually you know also

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very much affecting where i was living

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and i actually ended up starting a

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series earlier this year about some

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really crazy stuff going on in patagonia

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with actually a lot of the

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billionaires um and some billionaires

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that are connected to the so-called mega

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group that were backing jeffrey epstein

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and some other crazy stuff and they're

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basically um you know some of them

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including this one british billionaire

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or this guy named joe lewis i mean he's

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essentially made like a parallel state

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in patagonia he has this property that

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borders this lake and

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all these locals you know have a um you

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know a government right to go and visit

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that lake because it's a public lake and

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he basically has private security guards

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almost drowned people for getting close

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to it and like does all this other

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really crazy stuff and there's a lot

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more going on than that there's actually

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a lot of um

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indications and concerning people in

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argentina and also in chile that there's

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on these upcoming efforts uh led by the

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imf actually to basically try and

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partition patagonia and make it a

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separate country uh basically sort of

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like a feeding ground of you know new

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raw materials for

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on the global financial elite so yeah

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i'll be writing more on that in a couple

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months um and start up that series again

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when when a lot of my epstein stuff is

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concluded but basically that series

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really shows that really no matter where

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you go in the world you're gonna find

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this stuff i mean this is really a um

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these types of i guess you could call it

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american empire or you could call it

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just i wouldn't just call it you know

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like uh the global power elite empire

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they really have their tentacles

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everywhere so to speak so it's kind of

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hard to really live anywhere these days

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and not have some sort of interaction

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with it but you know the nice part about

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chile is that where i live anyway it's

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it's nice and it's it's relaxed so it's

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easy to forget about that stuff here

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still it's not staring you in the face

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every day

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well that is a silver lining but you're

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right i mean south america is really

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ripe for resource plunder of course i've

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heard a lot about brazil's election last

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year there was a lot of hacking and

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meddling

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and now the amazon is on fire there's a

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lot of speculation as to hidden motives

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there i mean corporate interests would

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love to come in and take that land so

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you can't put anything past them really

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yeah i think that i think that's

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definitely true and as far as the amazon

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goes i mean there's definitely been

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interest in in argentina and a lot of

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the uh sorry in brazil and a lot of them

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are foreign and even from other

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countries in latin america oligarchs

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from from countries like argentina for

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example that have had a long-standing

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interest in increasing

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brazil's meat industry and because

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cattle cattle ranching is one of the

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main drivers of uh deforestation in the

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amazon but another thing that's really

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crazy that goes on that i have personal

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experience with actually um has to do

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with mining in the andes and that's one

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of the main uh i guess resource

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plundering efforts uh underway near

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where i live they're trying to dam up

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all the rivers in chile to make these

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hydroelectric power plants and they're

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claiming that it's for you know the

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people to give renewable energy but

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everywhere they've been installed they

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don't connect to

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local communities and uh they're tr they

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basically are the first phase of

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bringing mining

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to these areas where mining didn't exist

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before because the andes are really rich

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in copper and a lot of other minerals so

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basically they try and get these

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hydroelectric power plants installed and

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then then they bring in the mines and

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these plants aren't for the people like

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they try and sell them as they're for

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the mines but they sell they have this

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really effective pr campaign of trying

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to be like you know it's sustainable

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energy but it really um

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it's really uh something entirely

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different what goes on in other places

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in south america are really nuts in

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relation to that too like i i used to

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live in peru i actually used to manage a

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farm in a really rural area of peru not

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that far from cusco so like way up in

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the andes and there was all these

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battles between locals and these these

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big really predatory mine companies that

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really you know are really destructive

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on environmentally but they also get

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along quite poorly with the locals and

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really ignore what local communities

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want probably like 10 kilometers from

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where i was living a group of angry

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locals like burned down housing for this

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mine that was that was near where i

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lived and then uh the mine company

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responded basically by by sending in

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getting the peruvian military sent in

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and the the so-called ring leaders they

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they basically just pushed them off

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cliffs

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it was like really um you know that that

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sort of uh thing that goes on you know

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you don't really hear about in

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mainstream media whether it's in south

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america or or in the us or really

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anywhere else but a lot of these mining

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companies are either you know british or

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and they basically you know have the

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local governments at their beck and call

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and and they do this sort of these sort

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of extra uh judicial killings um another

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really crazy um case that i've written

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about before that is is really not well

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known is how this mind that originally

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used to be owned by x on mobile i forget

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what company owns it now but i think

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it's an american company still they

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basically

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used a hydroelectric dam that they again

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sold as being sustainable energy to

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basically divert the only river that

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went to the largest indigenous community

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of colombia the yu

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and that was in 2011 and

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between 2011 and 2016 like 5 000 kids

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died because they didn't have any water

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in this community and their whole they

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can't grow their own food they they

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barely have a liter of water to live

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live off of and all of the river was

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diverted to this mine and they use the

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water just to like clean the roads to

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improve visibility they like water the

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roads all day why this uh community not

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that far from there is just you know

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they're literally dying of thirst in in

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like record numbers

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and it's just like totally insane so

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yeah south america is full of cases like

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that but because you know like corporate

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media whether it's in latin america or

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it's in the united states or anywhere

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else really they don't really cover the

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stuff so no one really knows and there's

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no pushback

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and i'm really glad you laid out some of

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those cases i mean this confessions of

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an economic hitman type of stuff is very

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much par for the course but i do like to

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make people aware of it because the

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folks that are affected here they don't

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really have a voice so it is important

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to remember them i mean we complain

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about the american empire from within it

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and you know there's a lot to complain

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about but it's a lot worse for other

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people outside of it and i think they

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deserve some attention and you wrote a

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really interesting piece about venezuela

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before the epstein coverage came about

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entitled how gmo seeds and monsanto

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slash bayer's roundup are driving us

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policy in venezuela and you say

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it is telling that the top political

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donors in the us most aggressively

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pushing regime change in venezuela have

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close ties to monsanto and major

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financial stakes in bayer

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well yeah that's definitely telling it

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seems like gmo crops and global food

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supply control is a big aspect of

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international politics now but can you

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tell us a little bit more about that

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article and that situation yeah well in

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in venezuela specifically this has to do

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this goes back to um i think it was 2004

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when google chavez

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he and

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the legislature at the time they enacted

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this uh this really progressive seed law

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and the span on gmo crops um in

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venezuela that's still in effect and it

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actually has been very strongly opposed

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by the party of juan guay though who is

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of course like the interim president his

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his party popular will in the roundtable

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of democratic unity which is sort of

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like this umbrella group of u.s backed

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venezuelan opposition parties they've

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basically made it their mission to try

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and repeal it and they've tried numerous

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times and have been unsuccessful but

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actually um around the time i wrote this

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article

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juan guay though had released his uh his

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plan for venezuela as interim president

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or like u.s hand-picked president um and

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his plan was called plan payees or like

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country plan and um one of the things he

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kept talking about repeatedly that

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didn't really get any media attention at

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the time was agriculture and basically

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opening up venezuela and and renovating

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agriculture and making it this big

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agricultural hub because even though

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venezuela has a lot of fertile land and

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one would assume should have a booming

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agricultural sector it's actually a very

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neglected agricultural sector but this

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is something that precedes chavez by

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several decades um this actually goes

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back to the 1940s when um basically the

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oil industry in venezuela took over and

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basically led to almost every other

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sector of venezuela's economy being

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neglected in favor of the oil sector and

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travis tried to reverse that a little

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bit but he certainly did not go far

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enough i mean that's one of the several

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criticisms that one could make a of

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chavez from the left even but what we

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see here with one way though is that he

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was basically you know there there were

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some sort of buzz words you know in his

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presentation of planned paies that

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suggested that there was going to be the

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repeal of the seed law in this gmo ban

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that had been in effect for a long time

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and what's interesting of course is that

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one of the main backers

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of this venezuelan regime change efforts

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in the united states is marco rubio and

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of course the trump administration and a

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major major backer to marco rubio and

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also a more recent backer of president

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trump after he was elected is this guy

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named paul singer who is this um he's

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often called a vulture capitalist he's

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very well known in latin america

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including argentina for his predatory um

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activities basically you know

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trying to buy up uh debt on companies he

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tried to basically crash argentina's

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economy again when um

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christina fernandez the kirchner was

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president

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and he um recently at a time when all

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other investors of of bayer monsanto

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because bayer and monsanto merged uh

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they were all trying to reduce their

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stock because um i'm sure a lot of

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people know following the news that that

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monsanto um has been or bayer rather has

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been in a lot of trouble over monsanto's

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uh flagship product roundup our

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glyphosate because there have been all

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of these um trials in the u.s awarding

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large sums of money to people who have

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claimed and won settlements about um

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glyphosate causing cancer

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so of course for any other investor this

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would not be the time to buy stock and

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bayer but paul singer has been buying

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considerable uh stock and bayer at a

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time when everyone else is fleeing which

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is quite odd but when you look at his

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history of being this quote unquote

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vulture capitalist and his backing of a

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lot of the politicians um

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very much involved in in this effort of

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backing juan guay though and juan wailo

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of course talking about the need to

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repeal this ban and you know really beef

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up the agricultural sector in venezuela

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if he succeeds in taking venezuela's

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government um may suggest why paul

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singer was so interested

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in uh obtaining more stock in bayer

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during this time because what we've seen

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in a lot of other cases

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where you know there's been a regime

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change for example in ukraine uh

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basically uh in in 20 before 2014 in

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ukraine there was not a lot of gmo crops

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and then after the the coup

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the imf and the world bank basically um

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as a stipulation in um in giving uh

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ukraine's new government these loans

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basically forced ukraine to accept

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biotechnology

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and and gmo crops into its agricultural

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sector so it would make sense to assume

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the same thing would happen in venezuela

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and it looks like that paul singer is

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already preparing to make a profit off

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of that which would fit with his his

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entire history

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as part of his you know um activities

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and managing his hedge fund which i

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believe is called elliott capital

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management

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hmm

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man you just know so much about this

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stuff and i was trying to do some

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reading about

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updates with this fight for regime

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change we have guido that's the u.s

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facts

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leader and then we have chavez's

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successor

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maduro

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and what i was reading was kind of

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confusing as to

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what's going on now it almost seems like

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just some kind of stalemate while the

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country just is halted is that what's

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going on is there an update has one side

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one over the other yeah i think it's

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more or less a stalemate i mean to me it

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honestly looks like maduro's holding on

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but they're trying to really tighten the

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noose of of sanctions even more you know

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i haven't really been following this

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particularly closely in the last month

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because i've been so focused on this

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epstein stuff right but um the strategy

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seems to be uh to basically choke off

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their ability to sell their oil abroad

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and to prevent them from receiving or

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importing anything and this is really

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crazy though because um a lot venezuela

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has for the reason i mentioned earlier

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that they they never really diversified

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their economy even before chavez

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they import the vast majority of their

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food and they import a lot of other

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things and so of course this is causing

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a lot of hardship in venezuela in latin

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america there's a lot of venezuelan

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people from venezuela basically trying

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to you know immigrate to other countries

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including chile where i live um but some

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of the ones i've talked to you know

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there's some that really hate maduro and

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there's some that you know don't really

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care either way or even like the guy

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they just um they don't want to suffer

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you know these collective punishment

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sanctions that ultimately punish you

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know regular civilians and not really do

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anything uh to target maduro

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specifically because what what these

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sanctions do is basically the strategy

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behind them is to make life for

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civilians

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in the targeted country so miserable

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that they rise up and overthrow the

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government just just to end the economic

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uh you know the economic siege is really

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is really what it comes down to

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basically i think the u.s strategy is to

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try and tighten the news as much as

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possible and wait it out and then when

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the time comes put juan guedo in if they

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manage and succeed in them but there's

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um so many people in venezuela that do

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not want the gringos right uh to come

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and take over

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and even if they don't like maduro some

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of them prefer him at least a venezuelan

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being in power to someone they see as a

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puppet of the united states being in

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power

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and it's worth pointing out too that

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juan guay those political party which is

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called popular will or valentine

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um it's really led uh even though juan

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guay though is like sort of the interim

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president the the real power behind juan

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guayla and his mentor is this guy named

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leopoldo lopez and leopoldo lopez during

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this failed coup attempt uh earlier this

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year

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guy though and lopez claimed that they

548
00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:07,360
had taken a military base even though

549
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:08,880
they really didn't some people may

550
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:10,720
remember that actually during that time

551
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:13,039
leopoldo lopez told a report a group of

552
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:15,600
reporters that were present there um for

553
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,799
international outlets including

554
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:18,640
bloomberg and some other ones that the

555
00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:20,400
plan was once why though and popular

556
00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:22,799
will is in power in venezuela to bring

557
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:25,280
in the u.s government as part of the

558
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:27,440
government of venezuela which to a lot

559
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:28,559
of people

560
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:30,480
basically means make venezuela a colony

561
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:32,880
of the united states so obviously people

562
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:34,799
in venezuela anyone that cares about

563
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:36,160
national sovereignty whether they like

564
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:39,760
maduro or not may prefer maduro to

565
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:41,280
that option

566
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:42,880
wow wow

567
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:45,600
and yes i definitely think that this gmo

568
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:48,960
politics thing is a big part of

569
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:50,640
what the american empire is doing

570
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:53,120
working on behalf of these major billion

571
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:55,200
dollar multinational corporations like

572
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:57,760
monsanto and bayer and it obviously

573
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:00,160
extends beyond venezuela just one other

574
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:02,000
detail you mentioned is that

575
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:04,559
when brazil sought to expand their

576
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:07,120
biotechnology investment in 2012

577
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:10,320
monsanto saw a 21 increase in its sales

578
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:13,360
of gmo corn seed alone generating an

579
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:15,760
additional billion dollars in profits

580
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:18,159
for the company so this is no small

581
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:20,720
thing it's not super surprising why a

582
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:23,280
guy like paul singer would be

583
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:24,720
investing in this while everyone's

584
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:25,919
running for the hills because he

585
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,480
probably knows that they get their way

586
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:30,559
regardless of how much bad pr is out

587
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,880
there and i guess one other important

588
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,640
topic i wanted to touch on before we get

589
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:36,480
into your epstein coverage is the piece

590
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:38,960
you wrote called the trust project big

591
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:41,360
media and silicon valley's weaponized

592
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:44,559
algorithms silence descent and you say

593
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:46,720
given the trust projects

594
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:49,520
rich get richer impact on the online

595
00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:51,840
news landscape it is not surprising to

596
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,080
find that it is funded by a confluence

597
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:56,400
of tech oligarchs and powerful forces

598
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,720
with a clear stake in controlling the

599
00:21:02,149 --> 00:21:00,240
flow of news

600
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:02,159
what can you tell us about the trust

601
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:04,159
project and who's behind us what worries

602
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:05,600
you about this

603
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:07,280
okay so the trust project they described

604
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:08,880
themselves as sort of this um a

605
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:11,360
consortium of top news companies that

606
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:13,120
have basically gotten together to fight

607
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:15,840
against the the scourge that everyone

608
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:18,159
knows about after 2016 known as fake

609
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:19,840
news right so

610
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:22,080
basically what um the public face of

611
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:24,400
this is like you know if you're a trust

612
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:26,240
project partner what you have to be

613
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:27,840
approved by the trust project to become

614
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:29,679
a partner not anyone can partner up you

615
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:31,919
to be chosen by them you can put like

616
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,280
the little t

617
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,360
uh symbol of the trust project on your

618
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:37,760
web page for people to see which is all

619
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,799
nice and

620
00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:40,320
and it tells people about the

621
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:42,840
commitments you've made to newsroom

622
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:45,919
transparency you can also see um you

623
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:48,159
know in a table uh that the trust

624
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:49,919
project has set up called the newsroom

625
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,799
transparency tracker but you know it's

626
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:54,240
kind of absurd because even though they

627
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:55,440
claim this is about promoting

628
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,159
transparency what what this uh newsroom

629
00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:00,000
transparency stuff actually does is it

630
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:02,240
is it conflates actual transparency

631
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,320
practices with simply providing the

632
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:06,720
trust project like um the official

633
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,360
policies and guidelines about their

634
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:11,520
their indicators specifically so like

635
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:13,760
outlets like the economist and uh get

636
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:16,400
like a perfect score um even though the

637
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,760
economy well

638
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:18,960
i think a lot of your listeners will

639
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:21,200
probably know um you know who owns the

640
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:24,159
economist and and what that's about so

641
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:26,000
uh that that's just kind of silly but i

642
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:27,200
don't really i think that's just the

643
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,880
public face of the trust project as i

644
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:30,960
point out my piece the real power of

645
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,720
this because the trust project right it

646
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,799
was it was co-founded um with the head

647
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,440
of google news or the vice president of

648
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:39,120
google for google news who's basically

649
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,559
the head of google news

650
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,880
basically what this does is that um this

651
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,880
is the private part of the trust project

652
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:46,720
which is obviously the most powerful and

653
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,679
less transparent part of of this

654
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:51,840
organization and basically what it does

655
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:53,440
is that if you're a trust project

656
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:55,520
partner and you are approved by this

657
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:57,840
consortium of top mainstream media news

658
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,039
companies you are allowed to embed

659
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,840
this html code or these snippets of code

660
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:05,919
really that they call machine readable

661
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:08,559
signals and basically what that does is

662
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:11,679
that the algorithms of google facebook

663
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:14,400
twitter in in microsoft's bing you know

664
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,159
these these big tech um

665
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:19,039
tech websites um they basically

666
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:22,320
prioritize uh your content over other

667
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,840
content so for example a lot of

668
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,360
independent media pages including the

669
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,440
one i write for have noticed that after

670
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,440
the 2016 election we have been censored

671
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,600
very heavily by facebook and by google

672
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:33,840
and by twitter but if you manage to get

673
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:36,000
one of these snippets of of code access

674
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,440
to them and you get to embed it in the

675
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,520
side of your page it's sort of like a

676
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:41,520
workaround for those same algorithms so

677
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:42,880
basically these super oppressive

678
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:45,520
algorithms totally throttle the spread

679
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:47,279
of information of pages that aren't

680
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,720
partners but if you're partnered and

681
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:50,480
chosen by them you get basically what

682
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:52,640
amounts to preferential treatment and

683
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,799
you get your results ranked first and

684
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,880
basically all the other independent

685
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:58,960
media outlets that aren't trust project

686
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,440
approved get bogged down this is

687
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:03,120
troubling when you look um not just at

688
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:04,799
the fact that you know the trust project

689
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:07,120
is nominally formed of just you know

690
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:08,720
mainstream media outlets but the fact

691
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,360
that it's um it's it's largely funded

692
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:13,360
by google and facebook themselves so

693
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:14,960
it's basically this way of fighting fake

694
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:17,440
news but sort of like self-funding the

695
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:18,480
solution

696
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:21,120
to fake news which is um you know

697
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:22,559
there's been a lot of criticisms of

698
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:23,919
google and facebook and how you know

699
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:25,120
they're basically you know they are

700
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:26,799
government contractors a lot of these

701
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,200
silicon valley pages and basically you

702
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,200
know they're they're deciding who is who

703
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,600
are the uh who is real news and who is

704
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,039
fake news i mean basically the trust

705
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:37,440
practice is a way of giving um that type

706
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,400
of power to these increasingly powerful

707
00:24:43,710 --> 00:24:42,000
silicon valley behemoths who have

708
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,720
increasing ties to the

709
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:45,440
military-industrial complex in the

710
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:48,000
united states and also um you know the

711
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:49,440
military-industrial complex or

712
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,960
intelligence communities of other

713
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:53,039
countries which is quite troubling and

714
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,159
one of the the main oligarchs there is a

715
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,480
guy that the site i write for

716
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:00,400
has criticized a whole lot and his name

717
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:03,200
is piero mittiar he's um the founder of

718
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,400
ebay but he's also known today as the uh

719
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,880
current owner of paypal and he also um

720
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:10,720
is of course known because he funds uh

721
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:13,840
the intercept and some you know other uh

722
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,400
news outlets so um

723
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:18,240
peter almidiar of course has a lot of

724
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:21,440
deep ties to um the us intelligence

725
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:23,039
community he had a lot of ties to the

726
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,240
obama white house um and is it has

727
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,640
consistently been up to a lot of um no

728
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:30,880
good i would say but basically you know

729
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,159
basically um it it's giving these sort

730
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,559
of tech oligarchs power to decide what

731
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:38,559
is news and what is not um and this is

732
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,840
really troubling too when you consider

733
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:41,600
that pierre midiar recently teamed up

734
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,760
with bill kristol and funded bill

735
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:45,200
crystal's alliance for securing

736
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,480
democracy which basically had this um

737
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,559
this russian bot dashboard it was called

738
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,799
a hamilton 68 that was super

739
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:54,400
untransparent and basically anything

740
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,520
that turned it on twitter the

741
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,039
establishment didn't want to trend it

742
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,679
would be used to blame that on alleged

743
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,320
russian bots without proof right um so

744
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:04,159
this is something that pierre mittiar

745
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:06,000
was funding he's also funding the trust

746
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,279
project

747
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,960
which which seems sort of contradictory

748
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:11,279
doesn't it um so there's a lot to be

749
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:12,960
worried about um when it comes to the

750
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:15,279
trust project and i i think the only

751
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,640
really way to um get around it is trying

752
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:20,320
to find out what these snippets of code

753
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,520
are and sort of guerrilla embed them in

754
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:25,120
independent media sites as sort of a

755
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:27,279
workaround

756
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,159
yeah codes give me those codes but i'm

757
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,320
with you this is very important and it

758
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,240
seems like a pretty transparent attack

759
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,320
on alternative media let's circle the

760
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:38,720
wagons promote only the inner circle

761
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:41,120
groups and the rest will hopefully die

762
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,640
off eventually because they can't reach

763
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,400
the same audience without the support of

764
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:46,960
the big five platforms i mean yes that's

765
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:48,720
definitely a concern

766
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:50,480
and i'm glad we could spend some time on

767
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,000
it i just wanted to make sure we talked

768
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,320
about some of your other work because a

769
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:56,000
lot of important things are happening

770
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,279
out there even though the jeffrey

771
00:27:02,549 --> 00:26:59,679
epstein story is the most trendy and the

772
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,559
most juicy and there are a lot of

773
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,559
journalists trying to cover the epstein

774
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:06,480
saga and your work has definitely been

775
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,279
catapulted to the front of the pack and

776
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:11,360
it's hard work to do because the trail

777
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,240
runs dark in a lot of places but why do

778
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,240
you think your coverage of the epstein

779
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,720
scandal has been so popular and such a

780
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,799
standout what have you picked up on that

781
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,880
maybe others have missed well what i

782
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,960
think i did is i i think i just took a

783
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,480
different approach because i was

784
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,799
personally curious about um one thing in

785
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:31,200
particular which had to do with um alex

786
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,720
acosta saying that jeffrey epstein had

787
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,200
ties to intelligence when that came out

788
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,679
of course i was just interested in um i

789
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:40,000
had planned to just write a a report

790
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:41,840
about the history of sexual black

791
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:44,399
operations um conducted by the cia or at

792
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,720
least in the united states and so of

793
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:48,080
course that's how this whole series

794
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,840
started because uh digging into that

795
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,080
history i found things i didn't expect

796
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,720
to find which basically uh led me to

797
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:56,240
this thread i guess you could call it

798
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:57,760
and the more i pulled on it the more it

799
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,960
became apparent that uh jeffrey epstein

800
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:03,520
really is you know the latest iteration

801
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,480
of in operation that has been going on

802
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:08,880
for a very long time actually going back

803
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,120
to really the genesis of of some of the

804
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,120
us's uh most well-known intelligence

805
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:16,080
agencies uh specifically the cia um of

806
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,080
course which would be around the 1940s

807
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:20,320
and that this really began with

808
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:22,240
organized crime in the united states and

809
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,840
of course organized crime in world war

810
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:26,159
ii sort of forged this alliance uh with

811
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:27,679
u.s intelligence and even though that

812
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:30,080
was supposed to end after the war as so

813
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,919
many of these other uh unsavory

814
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:33,440
alliances that have happened over u.s

815
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,799
history even though they're supposed to

816
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:36,399
end at a certain time

817
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:37,679
they don't and they end up becoming

818
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:40,960
indefinite and this is one one such case

819
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:44,000
so i think the fact that i i just may

820
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,360
have been the first person to find this

821
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:47,919
threat in particular which you know i um

822
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:50,080
the beginning of this this network and

823
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,760
this this operation of all the sexual

824
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,600
blackmail operations is is the topic of

825
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,919
part one of my series where i go into

826
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,600
into that a bit and i basically traced

827
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:59,679
this back to the national crime

828
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:02,000
syndicate which was co-founded by mayor

829
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,000
lansky of the jewish mob and charles

830
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:06,000
lucky luciano of the genovese crime

831
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:08,159
family and how that syndicate in

832
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:09,760
particular got got in bed with

833
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:12,880
intelligence as i said and how a lot of

834
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:15,360
their associates also became involved in

835
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,440
this type of activity and how those same

836
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,200
ties we see uh

837
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,440
you know today um in terms of looking at

838
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:23,919
jeffrey epstein's um connections not

839
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,760
just to intelligence but some of his

840
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,600
business associates who was funding him

841
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,320
things like that yes the way you take it

842
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,120
back is so intriguing a big element to

843
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:35,760
me is that you take it back to

844
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:38,399
cia gun and drug running and like the

845
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:41,360
iran contra era and you say look they

846
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:43,679
were doing that but nobody was talking

847
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:46,240
about the child trafficking going on in

848
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,760
this mix 2 and that's definitely a third

849
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,440
rail to all this and maybe it's kind of

850
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:53,279
coming out now it's more

851
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,360
known about now than it was then but you

852
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,520
can kind of take this epstein thing

853
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:00,000
right back to then right for sure well

854
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:01,760
um you know the crazy thing about iran

855
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:04,480
contra is that uh like you mentioned you

856
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,640
know this was basically when i guess you

857
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,720
could call it the business aspect of the

858
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,240
cia um

859
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:12,159
was basically uh

860
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,440
had expanded to include um you know arms

861
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:17,200
trafficking drugs trafficking and also

862
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:20,080
sex trafficking um in that you know

863
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,840
as i mentioned earlier with organized

864
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:23,840
crime a lot of those were quote unquote

865
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:25,440
businesses that used to be run by

866
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,159
organized crime and basically um

867
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:30,159
the cia by virtue of its uh you know

868
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,840
formal alliance with this national crime

869
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:33,440
syndicate basically became the organized

870
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:35,840
crime branch of the u.s government and a

871
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,000
lot of its activity that we see going on

872
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,799
in iran contra um you know reflects that

873
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,720
pretty clearly and of course it's worth

874
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:45,039
pointing out too that iran contra uh was

875
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,640
basically you know covered up and

876
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:48,480
forgotten about on a lot of the people

877
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,080
that were charged for it with really

878
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:52,320
light sentences ended up being pardoned

879
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:53,760
and so because of that lack of

880
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,000
accountability uh even just looking at

881
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:58,000
iran contra alone has allowed not only

882
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,600
that activity to continue but i would

883
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:01,919
argue would allow it has allowed it to

884
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,240
expand and proliferate and and fully

885
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,240
explains why someone with with well uh

886
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,159
someone like jeffrey epstein

887
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,159
was allowed to basically run a sexual

888
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,000
blackmail operation involving rich and

889
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,720
powerful people that exploited underage

890
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,960
girls for so long you know the reason he

891
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,960
was allowed to do this um and able to do

892
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:20,640
this for decades is because he clearly

893
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,840
had some sort of

894
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:24,080
some sort of you know state protection

895
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,679
and that's why we ended up seeing alex

896
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,159
acosta being told when he was you know a

897
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:30,159
federal prosecutor in florida that he

898
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,000
had to negotiate the sweetheart deal for

899
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,559
epstein back in 2007 because epstein was

900
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:36,240
tied to intelligence even though he was

901
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,799
facing you know charges then potentially

902
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,559
for sex trafficking of minors of course

903
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,880
those charges uh were filed against him

904
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,720
this year when he was arrested in in

905
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:46,720
july so so what happens during this

906
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:48,799
period with iran contra is that you know

907
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,360
during the 1980s a couple of these uh

908
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:53,919
sexual blackmail operations or or

909
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,720
pedophile rings even came to light which

910
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,559
had not really happened much in the past

911
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,640
and what we see though is about the ones

912
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:02,320
that that did get some sort of press

913
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,399
coverage they ended up being connected

914
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,320
specifically uh they were connected to

915
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:07,760
this operation that i was referencing

916
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:09,919
earlier that began with organized crime

917
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:11,919
when uh organized crime in the cia sort

918
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,000
of joined together um first in the late

919
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:16,000
40s and then i should probably talk

920
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:17,440
about that first ring for a second

921
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:19,760
before getting into the um the later

922
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:21,519
iterations of that that came up around

923
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,679
in iran contra basically the the

924
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,519
original ring that i traced sort of this

925
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,440
network around jeffrey epstein back to

926
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,679
you was first started by a man named

927
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,919
lewis rosenstiel who was this uh mayor

928
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:33,600
lansky connected very close to mayor

929
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:35,600
lansky businessman involved in the

930
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,840
liquor industry and he his company at

931
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:39,440
the time was shin lee liquors and he ran

932
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,120
a sexual black male operation involving

933
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,519
underage boys out of his home later this

934
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:45,360
expanded during the anti-communist

935
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,519
crusade and got some sort of um

936
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,159
government protection apparently at some

937
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:52,480
point because it ended up involving a

938
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,200
former director of the fbi j edgar

939
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:57,200
hoover who of course was well known for

940
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,320
um his penchant for blackmail and uh it

941
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,399
also involved roy cohn who then was

942
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,120
general counsel to joseph mccarthy and

943
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,120
later of course became a mentor to

944
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:09,679
people like president donald trump and

945
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,640
roger stone and was very deeply

946
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:14,799
connected himself to the reagan white

947
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,720
house so that first began in the 1950s

948
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,720
during this period of of the red scare

949
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:23,279
and whatnot and continued well into at

950
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:24,399
least the early

951
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,120
1980s i assume that when roy cohn uh

952
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,480
became really ill around 1984 1985 he

953
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,720
stopped really engaging in those type of

954
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:34,720
activities but i don't really know um

955
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:35,679
for sure

956
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:38,080
but roy cohn died in 1986 but anyway um

957
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,279
some of these other rings that came up

958
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:41,519
in iran contra one of the most um

959
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,360
well-known ones by people that sort of

960
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,799
have looked into this sort of stuff is

961
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,559
one that was run by this guy named craig

962
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:48,480
spence and craig spence was a really

963
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:51,200
prominent lobbyist in washington mainly

964
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,480
i believe he was mainly connected with

965
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,799
the republican party and i couldn't

966
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,799
track down exactly when he began his

967
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,480
lobbying activities but they were in

968
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:00,799
full swing by 1982 because that's when

969
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,960
the new york times wrote an entire

970
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:04,880
profile about spence

971
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:07,120
and a lot of the the language used to

972
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,960
describe spence is very similar to what

973
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,280
we see about jeffrey epstein

974
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,119
so craig spence was uh you know he was

975
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,119
uh compared to jay gatsby from the great

976
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,520
gatsby novel um you know this mysterious

977
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:19,760
wealthy figure comparison that was also

978
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,560
made

979
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,639
in later years with jeffrey epstein

980
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,639
craig spence was said to have you know

981
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,320
parties in a phone book that were

982
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:28,960
basically a who's who of powerful people

983
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,000
in the government in in media in in

984
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,040
business um things like that that he was

985
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:37,919
sought out by people for his connections

986
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:40,320
arguably more than than what he actually

987
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:41,599
knew about

988
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:43,280
businesses and things like that that he

989
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,560
was sought out you know for his

990
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:46,000
connections more than anything else and

991
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:48,079
that the main thing though is that uh

992
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:50,000
the new york times piece notes that he

993
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:52,000
um was well known for throwing these

994
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,760
these lavish parties

995
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,200
that had a lot of notable people

996
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:57,599
attending including you know celebrities

997
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,640
from hollywood and also uh senators and

998
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:03,040
top military officials things like that

999
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,720
and that he claimed to be a close friend

1000
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,880
to people like richard nixon nixon's

1001
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,560
former attorney general john mitchell

1002
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:10,000
who actually jeffrey epstein later

1003
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:11,760
claimed to be personal friends with as

1004
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:14,640
well and some other figures but actually

1005
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,599
it came out um i think it was in 1989

1006
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:19,599
from the washington times that spence

1007
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,720
was actually i had been running um a a

1008
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:24,800
homosexual prostitution ring involving

1009
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:28,240
underage boys uh and that his client his

1010
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,680
quote unquote clients of this ring

1011
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,760
included powerful people in government

1012
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,440
powerful people in the military powerful

1013
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:35,760
people in business the financial world

1014
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,800
and the media among other industries

1015
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,240
and that he had basically tried to

1016
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,400
entrap people into compromising sexual

1017
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,640
encounters with with these kids um and

1018
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,320
he had his house bugged with uh

1019
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,640
equipment recording equipment he had

1020
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,079
like a two-way mirror and for people

1021
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:52,240
that he couldn't entrap into these um

1022
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,320
sexual activities he would try and uh

1023
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,880
you know entrap them with cocaine and in

1024
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,200
some illegal other illegal drugs so

1025
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:01,760
basically he was involved in acquiring

1026
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,720
blackmail and uh it appears that he also

1027
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,880
had um ties to intelligence who may have

1028
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:08,560
been doing this on behalf of the cia

1029
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:10,000
because spence actually claimed that he

1030
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:11,760
worked for the cia to people that

1031
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,640
attended his parties uh he was always he

1032
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,040
told uh several people that that knew

1033
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,440
him well that he was afraid the ca cia

1034
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,599
might double cross him and kill him and

1035
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:23,920
make it look like a suicide and actually

1036
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:26,000
that is what happened to spence he was

1037
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,240
found uh dead in the boston ritz carlton

1038
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,480
hotel and his death was quickly ruled a

1039
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,480
suicide not unlike some of the

1040
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:33,920
circumstances surrounding jeffrey

1041
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:36,160
epstein's death um and actually spence

1042
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,760
appears to have been involved to some

1043
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,359
extent in the drug-running activities of

1044
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:41,280
the 1980s because he claimed that the

1045
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:43,040
cocaine that he had at his parties he

1046
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,040
had acquired it by doing uh smuggling

1047
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:48,079
cocaine into the us for from el salvador

1048
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,599
and that he did that in connection with

1049
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:51,520
people from the u.s military and of

1050
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,880
course as i mentioned earlier he claimed

1051
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,640
to be working with the cia

1052
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,920
and probably the most convincing

1053
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,920
evidence about spence's ties

1054
00:37:00,710 --> 00:37:00,000
to powerful politicians is the fact that

1055
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:00,720
he

1056
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,119
arrange this was actually uh george uh

1057
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,440
bush's seniors national security advisor

1058
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:15,839
donald gregg who um had worked from the

1059
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:19,920
cia i believe from 1951 to 1982 and had

1060
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:22,240
worked directly under william casey who

1061
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,640
was the director of the cia under reagan

1062
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:26,240
and of course william casey was one of

1063
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:29,359
the people that attended um spence's uh

1064
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,960
you know blackmail parties where these

1065
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,440
underage boys were present but also roy

1066
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,880
code was there and i just mentioned roy

1067
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,000
cohn was involved in one of these

1068
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,400
activities earlier and actually one of

1069
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,240
the people that craig spence claimed to

1070
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:42,960
be closest to um before his fall from

1071
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:44,720
grace was roy cohn and he actually

1072
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,200
hosted uh birthday parties for roy cohn

1073
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,440
at um his personal home and they were

1074
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,280
apparently really close so given the

1075
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,280
overlapping activities there i would

1076
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,280
argue that there is likely some sort of

1077
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,800
um connection

1078
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,640
between the two and of course um we know

1079
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:01,119
that craig spence the investigation of

1080
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,240
his sex ring later led to the discovery

1081
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:06,800
of what is arguably the most well-known

1082
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,280
pedophile ring of the period which is um

1083
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,119
you know the one that was run by larry

1084
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,440
king out of omaha nebraska

1085
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:15,200
and is often just referred to as the

1086
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:17,520
franklin ring or the franklin scandal

1087
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:19,920
because basically by looking at spence's

1088
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:22,880
finances and um they came across larry

1089
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:24,240
king's name of course i'm not talking

1090
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,599
about larry king the journalist this is

1091
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:27,680
some other guy for people who may be

1092
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:30,640
confused um but basically larry king was

1093
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:31,760
this um

1094
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:33,839
republican uh i guess you could say

1095
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,240
activist or lobbyist really who was

1096
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,160
running this credit union that was

1097
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:40,880
basically a sham credit union um and was

1098
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,280
basically a front for this uh this child

1099
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:45,280
sex abuse ring and actually children

1100
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,040
were killed as a part of it

1101
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:49,599
really disturbing stuff but basically

1102
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:52,000
king had a lot of connections to

1103
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,839
iran contra type things and also the

1104
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:55,440
reagan administration there were also

1105
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,400
ties to the cia a lot of people have

1106
00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:00,000
reported on the franklin scandal and i'm

1107
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,680
not claiming to be an expert here but i

1108
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:03,359
did uh you know going through a lot of

1109
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,880
the research that other people have done

1110
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,880
in the franklin scandal i mean

1111
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,040
and the fact that iran contra um you

1112
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,520
know that network of intelligence and

1113
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,200
and all these other things that develop

1114
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,359
during this time it's quite compelling

1115
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,599
that you know we can see sort of a

1116
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:19,839
direct line from this from the first

1117
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,240
ring i talk about to hear and then from

1118
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,320
these iran contra rings later to jeffrey

1119
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:26,880
epstein but anyway staying on king for a

1120
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,720
second um larry king

1121
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:31,200
co-founded as an example he he

1122
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,720
co-founded this group with this guy

1123
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:34,560
named david carmen that was called

1124
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,440
citizens for america and it actually um

1125
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:39,200
sponsored speaking trips for oliver

1126
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:40,480
north he was like one of the main people

1127
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:43,040
involved in iran contra and also leaders

1128
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:44,800
for the contra para military members in

1129
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,200
nicaragua and david carman who larry

1130
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:49,040
king co founded this with uh he ran a

1131
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:50,720
public relations firm with the former

1132
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,119
head of covert operations at the cia max

1133
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,520
hugo and david carman's father who was

1134
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,839
also part of this pr firm was the head

1135
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:59,520
of the general services administration

1136
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,880
under reagan and later became an

1137
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:02,880
ambassador under ronald reagan as well

1138
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:05,119
so he was definitely connected uh to

1139
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:07,119
this stuff going on and also the credit

1140
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:08,720
union that was a front for this company

1141
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:11,599
also did business with a another um

1142
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:13,760
rather suspect savings and loan company

1143
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,560
that uh was actually uh partially run by

1144
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,560
neil bush who was uh the brother of

1145
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:20,400
george h.w bush and the son of george

1146
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:22,880
bush senior so again a lot of uh

1147
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,599
disturbing connections there as well but

1148
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,359
um so how does jeffrey epstein fit into

1149
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,640
this right i guess that's probably what

1150
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:30,960
a lot of your listeners um

1151
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:33,040
it's deep but yes that's probably on the

1152
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,640
minds of people

1153
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:36,400
yeah um so

1154
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,680
i guess this would be a good point then

1155
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,920
to go back into uh jeffrey epstein's

1156
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:42,000
past and then you can see uh it's pretty

1157
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:43,760
easy to see there how he ties in with

1158
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,920
this iran contra network um and how that

1159
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:47,760
that change is moving forward and i'm

1160
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,240
sorry to interrupt but on the subject of

1161
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,720
jeffrey epstein's past i just wanted to

1162
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:55,200
ask you about this because the last time

1163
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:58,720
we covered epstein in depth i definitely

1164
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:02,160
emphasized this story about

1165
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:03,599
how uh

1166
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,319
william barr's father hired him at the

1167
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,960
dalton school and how weird that was and

1168
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:11,440
i had a bunch of people write me

1169
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:12,880
and they were saying you know this is

1170
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:15,920
not true that donald barr actually quit

1171
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,720
before he hired epstein and i was a

1172
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:20,480
little upset i don't want to be throwing

1173
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,800
out information that's incorrect but now

1174
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:25,200
i'm finding so many different opinions

1175
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,400
and i just wanted to know if we're going

1176
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,160
to talk about epstein's background maybe

1177
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,560
you could talk to us a little bit about

1178
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:32,960
that episode at the dalton school and

1179
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,520
this idea of was he or was knee hired by

1180
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:37,359
donald barr because you've looked into

1181
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:39,040
this quite deeply

1182
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:40,640
right so um

1183
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:41,839
it's understandable why these

1184
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,640
conflicting opinions about donald barr

1185
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,400
and his role with jeffrey epstein exist

1186
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,240
and that and this can all pretty much be

1187
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,160
traced back to a report in the daily

1188
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,560
beast um that said that donald barr had

1189
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:54,400
left uh was no longer head master at the

1190
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:55,839
dalton school by the time that jeffrey

1191
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,240
epstein had been hired um and thus was

1192
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,760
not involved in the hiring of jeffrey

1193
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,000
epstein we know that donald barr left

1194
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:04,160
the dalton school um as headmaster at

1195
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:07,920
the end of june uh 1974 and that epstein

1196
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,319
began the following semester um as a

1197
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:12,720
math teacher um i believe in september

1198
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:15,280
of 1974 so that is why people are saying

1199
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,800
that he was not involved in the hiring

1200
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,880
of epstein and that comes goes back to

1201
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,720
this daily beast report that i just

1202
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:22,640
mentioned but actually a week after it

1203
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,079
was published and had been widely

1204
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,119
circulated and used to debunk this claim

1205
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,520
um the daily beast actually updated this

1206
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,359
report so anyone that that is confused

1207
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,880
here i would just you know urge you to

1208
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:34,880
go back and look at the original daily

1209
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:36,960
beast report because it has been updated

1210
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:39,440
uh to no longer claim that donald barr

1211
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,839
did not hire jeffrey epstein and this is

1212
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,920
because um they got in touch with the

1213
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:45,599
person actually that was the interim

1214
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:47,599
headmaster after donald barr left the

1215
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,079
school and he claimed that um by the

1216
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:52,000
time he had started jeffrey epstein had

1217
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,200
already been hired he had no

1218
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:55,520
recollection of hiring jeffrey epstein

1219
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:57,359
and he as well as other people that were

1220
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,720
later interviewed by the daily beast

1221
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:00,480
said that hiring decisions were made in

1222
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,960
the spring which would mean that when

1223
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,280
hiring decisions were made in the spring

1224
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:07,920
donald barr was still headmaster right

1225
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,400
and also other people not just the

1226
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,720
interim headmaster but other people

1227
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,400
that worked at the school

1228
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,079
said that donald barr was well known for

1229
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:18,319
hiring quote unquote unconventional

1230
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:19,760
teachers

1231
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,640
and this means uh you know basically the

1232
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,400
donald bars reasoning was said to have

1233
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,640
been that he felt that you know people

1234
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:27,839
that didn't have the traditional

1235
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,359
background that one would expect

1236
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,040
teachers to have at this elite private

1237
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:33,760
school would enrich the lives and the

1238
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,400
academic experience of the students and

1239
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,480
of course epstein fits into that

1240
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:40,160
category because when he was hired to

1241
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:41,680
work at the school he didn't have a

1242
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,240
college degree um he hadn't finished his

1243
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,040
his studies at university so um he was

1244
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:49,119
considered to be an unconventional hire

1245
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,800
and also the new york times did i think

1246
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:52,800
a whole article about his unconventional

1247
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,440
behavior while at the dalton school

1248
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:57,040
so let's talk about donald barr for a

1249
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:58,160
second

1250
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,680
because the timing you know based on

1251
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,839
what i just described seems to indicate

1252
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,680
um of course donald barr can't confirm

1253
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:06,000
or deny what went on because he's dead

1254
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,960
right

1255
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,480
and this was a really long time ago you

1256
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,480
know this was in the early 70s so it you

1257
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,880
know um i it seems unlikely at this

1258
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:14,400
point that more information will come

1259
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,160
out than what i've already mentioned but

1260
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,160
we do know that donald barr used to work

1261
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,400
for the forerunner to the cia the office

1262
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:22,160
of strategic services which of course is

1263
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,680
the intelligence agency that first

1264
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,839
created this formal alliance with this

1265
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:27,119
organized crime syndicate that i

1266
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,400
mentioned earlier

1267
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:30,960
and actually at the time in 1974 when

1268
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,359
when epstein was hired and when donald

1269
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,760
barr was still head master william barr

1270
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:37,359
his son who's the current attorney

1271
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:40,560
general uh was working for the cia so um

1272
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,240
that that point gets overlooked a little

1273
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,920
bit because there was still uh at that

1274
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:45,200
point in time that epstein was hired

1275
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:47,200
donald barr had family connections

1276
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,119
direct family connections to the cia

1277
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,440
even though he had left the oss a few

1278
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,680
decades before right uh something else

1279
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:55,359
that's really weird too um that i

1280
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,800
mentioned in my report and some other

1281
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,800
people have picked up on as well is that

1282
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,200
um a year before he hired epstein donald

1283
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,359
barr had an interest in science fiction

1284
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:05,520
and he wrote a science fiction novel

1285
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,079
called space relations that is about

1286
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,319
human trafficking and sexual slavery

1287
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:12,480
which is quite interesting given what we

1288
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,119
know that what epstein was later up to

1289
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,359
and also what the cia was actually

1290
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:19,920
involved in during the 1970s when

1291
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,319
epstein was hired actually because um

1292
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:24,000
one of the things that william barr was

1293
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,599
actually involved in during this period

1294
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,119
of time that epstein was at the belton

1295
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,200
school was stonewalling the church

1296
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,040
committee because he was the liaison to

1297
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:33,200
congress between the cia and congress

1298
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:34,319
during the church committee

1299
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:36,160
investigation and one of the things that

1300
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,839
he fought tooth and nail to keep coming

1301
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,760
out to the public was the cie's use of

1302
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:41,520
sexual blackmail operations targeting

1303
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,319
foreign diplomats so that's another um

1304
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,640
odd connection there right so i can

1305
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,319
understand why people are confused about

1306
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,920
the donald bar thing um because

1307
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:51,760
generally when a new report comes out a

1308
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,079
lot of people um know the original

1309
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:55,920
report but if it's corrected or updated

1310
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,680
they don't necessarily know that right

1311
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,440
so anyone

1312
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:01,040
that hasn't heard or read the

1313
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,480
information i'm talking about please go

1314
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:04,800
back to that daily beast article and

1315
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,560
read what they put out there because you

1316
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,640
know if you're going to to buy or if

1317
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:09,920
you're going to you know promote the

1318
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,599
original claim made by this daily beast

1319
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:13,760
article it would make sense to read the

1320
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,160
update and the correction they issued

1321
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:18,240
absolutely absolutely and thanks for

1322
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,680
pointing that out because it's just a

1323
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:21,599
particularly important update for this

1324
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,000
audience given the way epstein was

1325
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,240
covered in a previous show and these

1326
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,400
things do get complicated but as you

1327
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,400
note it's not the only

1328
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,200
reason to be suspect to be skeptical

1329
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:35,359
about donald barr i mean the whole

1330
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,040
donald bar

1331
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,280
being in this shadowy network doesn't

1332
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,200
hinge on the fact that he hired epstein

1333
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,200
he's got this strange book and he's got

1334
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,200
these other connections to intelligence

1335
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,800
right and and let's also remember too

1336
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,880
that i think one of the reasons that you

1337
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:50,240
know there's been so much pushback

1338
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,920
against this point in particular is the

1339
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,680
fact that william barr has not recused

1340
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,119
himself from the jeffrey epstein

1341
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:57,359
investigation and people were using that

1342
00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:59,680
point to call on him to recuse himself

1343
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,160
right but even if you know if even if it

1344
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:04,480
wasn't for that william barr if he

1345
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,280
actually cared would recuse himself um

1346
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,880
just by virtue of the fact that before

1347
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:10,960
becoming attorney general this time he

1348
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,520
worked at the law firm where epstein's

1349
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:15,200
defense attorneys came from when the

1350
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,400
sweetheart deal was negotiated in 2007.

1351
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:20,000
and if you go even farther back than

1352
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,359
than when he was attorney general the

1353
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,280
first time he was involved in the

1354
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,599
cover-up of iran contra and justified

1355
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,359
the legality of the pardons for all

1356
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:29,119
these iran contra figures and of course

1357
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,040
as as we just talked about right iran

1358
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,280
contra uh had a lot of involvement in

1359
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:36,000
these types of activities so um you know

1360
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:37,839
that's quite um you know he's basically

1361
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:39,680
a cover-up master and as i mentioned

1362
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,960
earlier you know when with the church

1363
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,720
committee he was trying to keep

1364
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,640
information from the public regarding

1365
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,559
sexual blackmail operations so he really

1366
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:48,800
does not seem to be the right person to

1367
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:49,599
be

1368
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,440
in charge of basically overseeing these

1369
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,520
these two separate uh department of

1370
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:56,079
justice investigations into into what uh

1371
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:57,680
happened to epstein when he was

1372
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:00,559
allegedly found dead in his cell

1373
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:03,119
right right and not to jump all over the

1374
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,599
place but i also heard another detail

1375
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:07,359
from one of your previous interviews

1376
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,800
that it seems like

1377
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:09,760
maybe

1378
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,480
barr had made a promise to clinton or

1379
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:14,720
suggest to clinton that if he could keep

1380
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:16,880
the stuff going on in maine arkansas

1381
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:19,119
under wraps that he might be in line for

1382
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,480
the presidency

1383
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,319
yeah well that's coming from a former

1384
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:24,559
cia agent that worked directly all uh

1385
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:26,240
under oliver north and was involved in

1386
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,839
the stuff going on in mina arkansas

1387
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,760
during iran contra but we can get to

1388
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:31,440
that in a bit uh when we get to the

1389
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:32,640
clintons

1390
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:34,480
because i really quickly i wanted to go

1391
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,079
through uh jeffrey epstein's history and

1392
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:38,160
we can after that just go into the um

1393
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:40,079
how the clintons tie into iran contra

1394
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,760
stuff as well but since we're talking

1395
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,920
about uh the dalton school right um

1396
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:45,599
jeffrey epstein leaves the dalton school

1397
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:47,599
under rather mysterious circumstances

1398
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:50,079
there's there's conflicting accounts of

1399
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,920
why he was let go but he was let go he

1400
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,359
didn't leave with his own accord and he

1401
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,280
ended up leaving and of course he gets

1402
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:57,760
another uh quite fortuitous uh you know

1403
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:01,119
uh hiring uh luck with being hired by uh

1404
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,160
the elite investment bank bear stearns

1405
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:06,000
even though he has no trading experience

1406
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:07,520
and no college degree and is just some

1407
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,200
math teacher right and he's hired

1408
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:11,200
directly by the head

1409
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:14,319
of bear stearns himself alan greenberg

1410
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,599
and alan greenberg claimed that the

1411
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,200
reason he hired epstein is because

1412
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,200
epstein was so nice to his kids who he

1413
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,880
tutored but that seems kind of like an

1414
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,960
odd reason to hire someone uh to

1415
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,640
basically trade money for your clients

1416
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,160
at your fancy investment bank even

1417
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:28,400
though they have no trading experience

1418
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,599
right

1419
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:31,760
so basically epstein uh becomes a

1420
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:33,599
partner pretty quickly in in bear

1421
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,559
stearns and he again ends up leaving

1422
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:39,200
under a cloud of secrecy and it's not

1423
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,160
there's again conflicting reasons given

1424
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,319
from different people why he left but

1425
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:46,319
basically the the epstein's claim that

1426
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,680
he had some sort of affair with a

1427
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:49,440
secretary doesn't really pass the smell

1428
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:52,240
test because the the money uh he he got

1429
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,559
like fined or something we know that for

1430
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,960
a fact but it was like a very small fine

1431
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,520
to leave such a high paying job and

1432
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,680
being a partner at bear stearns it just

1433
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,599
didn't really um seem like the real

1434
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,920
reason he left and vicki ward who's done

1435
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,839
a lot of reporting in the past on

1436
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:09,200
jeffrey epstein

1437
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:11,040
she points to an investigation that was

1438
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,559
opened by the security

1439
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:14,559
and exchange commission that was opened

1440
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,200
the day before epstein left bear stearns

1441
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,440
and um apparently from her research it

1442
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,960
seemed like epstein left in connection

1443
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,880
with that investigation and what's

1444
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,200
interesting is that the allegation or

1445
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,359
rather the reason that investigation was

1446
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:29,520
opened was because epstein was a key or

1447
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,520
rather bear stearns was accused of

1448
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:33,119
insider trading

1449
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:34,400
specifically

1450
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:37,680
having received information um from

1451
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,640
edgar bronfman then owner of seagram's

1452
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:42,480
about a tender offer that secrets was

1453
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,079
offering on some on some mineral

1454
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:46,880
corporation or a mining company and so

1455
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:49,760
epstein um was apparently um

1456
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,760
involved in sort of that insider trading

1457
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:53,440
aspect of bear stearns and appeared to

1458
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:56,079
have left um in relation to that um

1459
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:57,839
because the the interviews the

1460
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,119
transcripts of the interviews that

1461
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,760
epstein gave to the sec after he'd

1462
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,599
already left bear stearns um the people

1463
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,359
the sec were really skeptical of his

1464
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:07,359
answers and there was some conflicting

1465
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:09,280
evidence that's interesting because

1466
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:11,280
bronfman edgar bronfman is one of the

1467
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,880
members of the mega group which of

1468
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,200
course um was co-founded by charles

1469
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:17,359
bronfman edgar's brother and leslie

1470
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:18,800
wexner and of course we know that leslie

1471
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:21,599
wexner was one of the uh main financial

1472
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:24,000
backers um of up scene i say financial

1473
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,520
backer because even though he's often

1474
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,760
described as a client of epstein there's

1475
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:29,520
a lot of evidence that epstein was not

1476
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,880
actually wealthy and that his wealth

1477
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:32,480
came from somewhere else and his only

1478
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:35,599
named client i.e source of money through

1479
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,160
this uh billionaire consulting firm

1480
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:40,640
was leslie wexner sorry i just wanted to

1481
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:42,880
point out that uh les wexner i mean he's

1482
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:45,839
the founder and ceo of l brands which

1483
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:49,280
owns a lot of mall stores limited tons

1484
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:50,400
of mall stores

1485
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:52,960
yeah victoria's secret bath and body

1486
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,119
works express lane bryant amber crombie

1487
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,440
and fitch and that's just an interesting

1488
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:59,680
detail that people might want to you

1489
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:01,680
know think about that in your head and

1490
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:02,480
how

1491
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:05,680
trafficking relates to global shipping

1492
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,559
and logistics operations that you know

1493
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:10,319
they have we'll get into that we'll get

1494
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,920
into that in a second because that gets

1495
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,760
pretty that gets pretty crazy with uh

1496
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,599
how wexner and epstein were handling

1497
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,599
logistics for the limited in the 90s

1498
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:19,599
that gets really nuts so um anyway he

1499
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:21,119
leaves burst stearns right and in

1500
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:22,720
connection with the bronfman's mega

1501
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,000
group wexner just keep that in your

1502
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,160
brain for a little bit yeah so after

1503
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:28,079
that this is where jeffrey epstein's

1504
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:30,720
history gets super weird and even a lot

1505
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,720
of people in mainstream media have

1506
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:34,319
basically avoided this period of

1507
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,000
epstein's life which i think is really

1508
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:38,720
telling but basically um during this

1509
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:40,880
period of time epstein described what he

1510
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:43,599
was doing to friends and and other

1511
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:46,640
sources in sources uh who you know were

1512
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:48,400
used by other journalists reporting on

1513
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:49,760
epson like mickey ward and some others

1514
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:51,839
say that he you know was this financial

1515
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,599
bounty hunter is the term that's most

1516
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:55,680
often used to describe what he was doing

1517
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,280
he basically claimed that he was he

1518
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,520
would hunt down money for powerful

1519
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:01,599
people and governments and he would also

1520
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,680
hide money for those same powerful

1521
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,359
people and governments well that to me

1522
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:07,680
sounds sort of like tax evasion offshore

1523
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:10,079
tax shelters we know that epstein was

1524
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,559
involved with that even uh you know well

1525
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:15,119
into the 2000s it also seems to indicate

1526
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,559
that he was involved in some sort of

1527
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:18,319
money laundering activity

1528
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,000
but either way he was involved in the

1529
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:22,640
world of shadow finance case in point

1530
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:26,079
one of the few clients named clients of

1531
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,920
epstein during this period of time which

1532
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:29,599
appears to have continued from when he

1533
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:33,200
left near stearns in 1981 to 1985 when

1534
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,480
he or at least between 1985 and 1987

1535
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:38,960
depending on on what you uh

1536
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:41,599
on on the date that he gets uh most

1537
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:43,040
closely a show

1538
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:45,280
associated with leslie wexner um he was

1539
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:46,720
involved in this world of shadow finance

1540
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:49,359
and his only uh known client during this

1541
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:52,000
period of time was adnan khashoggi

1542
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,520
and of course at known khashoggi people

1543
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,760
might know who he is uh more recently

1544
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,760
because he is the uncle of jamal

1545
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,760
khashoggi who was the guy that was uh

1546
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:01,599
you know dismembered in the in the

1547
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,319
embassy in istanbul the saudi embassy in

1548
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,720
istanbul and and that was a big got a

1549
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,480
lot of media coverage right um but

1550
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:10,720
actually advan khashoggi he was a main

1551
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:12,480
one of the main arms dealers involved in

1552
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,760
iran contra

1553
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:15,599
he was an asset not just for u.s

1554
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:17,680
intelligence but also saudi intelligence

1555
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,920
and the mossad and he'd been on the

1556
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:22,319
payroll of the of the mossad several

1557
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,359
years before 1981 but by 1981 he was

1558
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:27,520
definitely on it and 1981 was also the

1559
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:28,400
year

1560
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:30,559
that he began doing arms deals for iran

1561
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:32,800
contra and he continued that to until i

1562
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:35,440
believe 1985 or 1986. there were several

1563
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,960
other arms dealers involved in iran

1564
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:39,280
contra besides edna and khashoggi but

1565
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,720
what was interesting about khashoggi is

1566
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:42,319
that he was considered the quote-unquote

1567
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,839
banker of the arms dealers because he

1568
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:45,119
was the one that would move the money

1569
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,599
around he would do the financial aspect

1570
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:49,680
of the arms deals um so why would he

1571
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,559
hire someone like jeffrey epstein

1572
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:54,160
which i think is um something we might

1573
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:56,319
want to ask ourselves here um it's also

1574
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:58,000
worth pointing out too that we know that

1575
00:55:01,589 --> 00:55:00,079
a lot of the transactions that khashoggi

1576
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:01,599
was doing in relation to the sort of

1577
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:04,240
activity during this period of time was

1578
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,760
through the bank of uh credit and

1579
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:07,920
commerce international or bcci which of

1580
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,880
course is the notorious cia linked bank

1581
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:12,240
and it's also worth pointing out too

1582
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,760
that bear stearns where epstein had

1583
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:15,599
worked prior to working for khashoggi

1584
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:18,319
was a broker to bcci so not only do we

1585
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:21,040
have khashoggi connected to bcci we have

1586
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,799
khashoggi connected to jeffrey epstein

1587
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:24,720
and we have jeffrey epstein connected to

1588
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,160
bear stearns who's also connected to

1589
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,040
bcci so that to me suggests that epstein

1590
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,440
in his capacity as shadow finance

1591
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,359
operative for khashoggi was likely

1592
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:35,280
involved to some extent with bcci as

1593
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,680
well and some uh something really crazy

1594
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,599
about bcci that doesn't get as much

1595
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:41,440
coverage as its other activities because

1596
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,079
of course bcci is most well known for

1597
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,400
money laundering uh you know drug and

1598
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,319
arms trafficking things like that but it

1599
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,720
was also involved in sex trafficking to

1600
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:52,880
an extent as well which does not get as

1601
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:55,040
much coverage and actually um people

1602
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,200
that work for bcci in the united arab

1603
00:56:02,549 --> 00:55:59,520
emirates they would basically bribe top

1604
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:02,559
uae officials by basically selling them

1605
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,040
prepubescent girls for sex

1606
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:07,680
so bcci was into that sort of activity

1607
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:09,839
so again you know um as you mentioned

1608
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:12,480
earlier one of the undercover aspect of

1609
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:14,079
these types of i would call them

1610
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:15,599
criminal rackets that are often done in

1611
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,599
connection with intelligence um you know

1612
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:19,520
arms and drugs trafficking definitely

1613
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,960
happen and they get the most coverage

1614
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,319
but sex trafficking is definitely

1615
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,000
something that happens even if it passes

1616
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:26,400
under the radar this is where we see you

1617
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,319
know epstein get involved clearly

1618
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:30,000
involved with someone who's tied into

1619
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:31,280
intelligence it's also worth pointing

1620
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:33,200
out too that alan greenberg who had

1621
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,680
hired epstein at bear stearns was also a

1622
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:37,599
very close friend and associate of roy

1623
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:39,920
cohn who we were talking about a little

1624
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:42,319
bit earlier so that's another um

1625
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:43,599
interesting

1626
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:46,880
tie-in uh there as well so skipping

1627
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,960
ahead a little bit um after he stops and

1628
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,799
leaves this world of shadow finance it's

1629
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:52,880
when he teams up with leslie wexner he

1630
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:55,680
eventually becomes leslie wexner's uh he

1631
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:57,119
basically gets power of attorney for

1632
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:58,960
leslie wexner and he can hire and fire

1633
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,359
people for for wexner um he basically

1634
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:03,839
starts managing logistics for

1635
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,640
wexner's company l brands right and l

1636
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:08,880
brands or the limited um i forget

1637
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:10,240
exactly when the company changed his

1638
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:12,079
name it used to be it was the limit and

1639
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,359
then it was l brands or something like

1640
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,520
that but anyway this is wexner's company

1641
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,359
that's all these mall brands all these

1642
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,520
all these stores in the mall beginning

1643
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,160
in 1994 um epstein who's managing

1644
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:24,000
logistics for wexner obviously with

1645
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:25,599
wexner's knowledge they start to

1646
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:26,720
negotiate

1647
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,480
the relocation of a company called

1648
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:30,240
southern air transport that's based in

1649
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:33,359
miami florida to columbus ohio the

1650
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:35,280
reason they want this airline to

1651
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,040
relocate is because they want them to

1652
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:39,359
run cargo for the limited they want it

1653
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:40,400
to bring

1654
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:43,440
presumably textiles from hong kong to

1655
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,559
columbus and basically uh be the airline

1656
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:48,160
that runs this route for wexner

1657
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:50,559
companies the negotiations don't just

1658
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,000
involve the limited and southern air

1659
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:54,000
transport they involve ohio's government

1660
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,319
as well which apparently under pressure

1661
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,000
from wexner who is one of the richest

1662
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,480
people in the entire state basically

1663
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:02,559
ends up convincing ohio's government to

1664
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:05,920
prepare this very attractive incentive

1665
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,240
package to southern air transport to get

1666
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:10,400
them to relocate and actually once they

1667
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,520
relocate in 1995 to columbus after all

1668
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,040
the top executives at southern air

1669
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:17,280
transport cited that incentive package a

1670
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,280
large portion of which was bankrolled by

1671
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:21,680
ohio taxpayers as the reason for the

1672
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:23,920
relocation what's interesting here as

1673
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,400
well is that some of the key players

1674
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,319
besides wexner and epstein and getting

1675
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:30,240
that relocation to happen

1676
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,200
are richard c cord and alan fears

1677
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:35,520
both of whom were very very much

1678
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:37,440
involved with iran contra actually alan

1679
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:39,280
fears was one of the guys

1680
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:40,799
that was charged in connection with the

1681
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:42,559
iran contra scandal i believe he was in

1682
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:43,680
charge of

1683
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:46,240
central america operations for the cia

1684
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,880
during iran contra so that's crazy

1685
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,160
especially when you take into

1686
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:52,160
consideration that at this period of

1687
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:54,319
time southern air transport was the

1688
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:57,599
known cia front company for iran contra

1689
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:58,880
you know the airline that was used for

1690
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:00,960
iran contra operations and was actually

1691
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,680
the airline used by barry seal to take

1692
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:05,680
stuff from central america from from the

1693
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:08,319
contras to mina and arkansas the mina

1694
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:10,480
airport and back again you know out of

1695
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:12,319
all of the airlines in the in the united

1696
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:14,559
states during this period epstein and

1697
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:17,520
wexner seek out the only one that is

1698
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:20,000
known publicly known to be a cia cutout

1699
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,160
basically that's really nuts and also we

1700
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:24,240
know too um that at some point in the

1701
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:26,720
1990s uh epstein claimed that he

1702
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,200
previously worked for the cia

1703
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:31,200
we don't know exactly when he was

1704
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,799
claiming he worked for the cia whether

1705
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,240
it was in the 80s when he was involved

1706
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,720
with khashoggi or whether it was in

1707
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:38,160
connection with him in southern air

1708
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:39,599
transport but we know he was making

1709
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:42,799
those claims prior to the year 2001 when

1710
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:45,040
there was a report citing epstein having

1711
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:46,960
made these claims published in london's

1712
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,920
uh evening standard that talked about um

1713
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:51,440
you know had different sources saying

1714
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:53,440
that epstein had made this claim

1715
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,400
during uh this period of time wow you do

1716
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:59,119
have such a grip on this stuff and there

1717
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:00,720
are so many different

1718
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:03,760
concentric rings of criminals and cabals

1719
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:05,280
yeah that's nuts

1720
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:07,760
it is it is so nuts and i just really

1721
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:09,920
appreciate the work you've done this has

1722
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,920
been really awesome i think you have a

1723
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:14,000
real knack for this kind of work and i

1724
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:15,520
hope people follow what you're doing

1725
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:17,680
after this and maybe we should give them

1726
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:20,559
the links of course mintpressnews.com

1727
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:22,319
but is there anything else to give the

1728
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:24,079
people social media platforms you're

1729
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:25,599
most active on i mean you've done a

1730
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:28,640
great couple of podcasts too sure um

1731
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:31,200
well um the podcast for mint press news

1732
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:32,880
which is the mint cast it's currently on

1733
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,960
hiatus so i'll let people know on social

1734
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:37,040
media and of course mint presses pages

1735
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:38,400
on social media we'll let people know

1736
01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:40,559
when that is functioning again i have

1737
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:42,559
been in facebook jail since like april

1738
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:44,319
they don't let me post any links on my

1739
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:46,400
author page so i just kind of gave up on

1740
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:48,400
facebook so i mostly use twitter uh you

1741
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:50,400
can follow me uh at underscore

1742
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:52,880
whitneyweb on there and because i'm in

1743
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:54,799
facebook jail that's the platform i'm

1744
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:56,480
most active on

1745
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:59,200
right on well great it was a real treat

1746
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:00,720
to have you here i'm glad we could

1747
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:02,960
highlight just a fantastic journalist

1748
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:05,119
like yourself keep doing what you do

1749
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:06,480
there's definitely more to talk about

1750
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:07,599
hopefully we can do it again in the

1751
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:10,079
future but stay uh stay vigilant and be

1752
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:12,000
careful out there thanks sounds good to

1753
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:19,589
sweet baby jesus

1754
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:22,319
hell of a show hell of a show

1755
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:25,040
really happy to get this one out

1756
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:26,559
and what you thought we were only going

1757
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:29,040
to talk about jeffrey epstein once

1758
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,160
come on don't be silly of course not

1759
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,319
but big thanks to whitney webb for her

1760
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:36,240
excellent research

1761
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:38,799
and really great recall

1762
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:40,640
i know a lot of people were sending me

1763
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:42,960
her articles and i think even gordon

1764
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,000
posted one and i thought yeah we might

1765
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:48,480
retread a little ground here but we have

1766
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:50,960
enough new threads that it's gonna be

1767
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:52,480
well worth it

1768
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:55,119
so i really appreciate her time i know

1769
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:57,839
she was running on fumes because so many

1770
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:00,480
people have been trying to interview her

1771
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:03,520
it's not as easy for thg to just push

1772
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:05,119
our way to the front of that line as it

1773
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:07,839
was six years ago number of podcasts

1774
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,000
probably doubles every year

1775
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,160
and we know the higher side chats is

1776
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:13,920
good but how is someone in her position

1777
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:15,760
supposed to know

1778
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:18,079
but whatever we did it and it is an

1779
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:21,200
instant classic as far as i'm concerned

1780
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:23,760
you could probably tell as we got to the

1781
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:26,480
30 45 minute mark that i was really

1782
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:28,880
trying to push us through the saga to

1783
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:31,839
get to some of the clinton threads

1784
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:34,319
because our show with recluse was so

1785
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:36,880
heavy on the trump bar

1786
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:38,319
cone threads

1787
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:40,720
and i really wanted to get to the other

1788
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:42,400
side of things

1789
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:44,480
but we all know about bill clinton and

1790
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:48,160
the maina arkansas airport smuggling

1791
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:50,720
although i've never heard anybody

1792
01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:53,200
incorporate this third rail of human

1793
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:56,319
trafficking into that context

1794
01:03:01,829 --> 01:02:58,160
that i can remember

1795
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:01,839
so that was important and educational

1796
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:04,400
i was really intrigued by the leslie

1797
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:05,920
wexner thread

1798
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:08,960
with southern air transport

1799
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:11,280
and here's a weird bit of greg karlwood

1800
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:13,280
history for you and it probably means

1801
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:16,160
nothing but one of the many stores that

1802
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:19,599
les wexner owns is express

1803
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:22,400
and when i moved from saint louis to

1804
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:24,799
columbia missouri where the college is

1805
01:03:31,109 --> 01:03:28,240
my friend's mom had to ask around her

1806
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:31,119
corporate retail network to find a store

1807
01:03:37,029 --> 01:03:34,000
in columbia that would hire me because i

1808
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:37,039
had no resume or experience and i just

1809
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:38,960
wanted to live in the college town with

1810
01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:40,960
my friends without actually going to

1811
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:43,520
college because i just dropped out so

1812
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:45,520
she worked her magic and found me a job

1813
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:48,720
as the stock room manager at express

1814
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,760
because

1815
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:51,359
express was not going to put me on the

1816
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:52,400
floor

1817
01:03:56,230 --> 01:03:54,799
especially then because i wasn't express

1818
01:03:57,670 --> 01:03:56,240
appropriate

1819
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:57,680
and was actually

1820
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,960
probably pretty anti express but beggars

1821
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:02,880
can't be choosers right

1822
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:05,039
well as the stockroom manager i would

1823
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:07,359
handle the shipments and i remember

1824
01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:09,839
expecting a big nice

1825
01:04:14,069 --> 01:04:11,920
semi truck to pull up to the loading

1826
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:14,079
dock and it would be this big official

1827
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:15,760
professional thing

1828
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:18,480
but when i actually got shipments it was

1829
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:19,920
way more

1830
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:23,200
casual than i thought it was three guys

1831
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:25,760
in a regular pickup truck who didn't

1832
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:27,039
speak english

1833
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:30,000
tossing me boxes out of the back

1834
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:31,440
and i always thought that was kind of

1835
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:32,559
strange

1836
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:34,240
it's not easy to find people who don't

1837
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:35,920
speak english in the middle of missouri

1838
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:37,200
first off

1839
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:40,559
but it seemed quite amateur you know

1840
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:44,319
i'd see these fedex and ups guys

1841
01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:46,400
bringing in the carts and delivering to

1842
01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:48,400
all the other stores

1843
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:51,200
but i'm this stressed out 19 year old

1844
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:53,119
behind the building shouting that's for

1845
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:57,440
express right okay a key a key here

1846
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:59,359
c c

1847
01:05:02,710 --> 01:05:01,200
very little documentation for the

1848
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:02,720
process

1849
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:04,960
and i would think so did we get every

1850
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:07,200
box we were supposed to get i have no

1851
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:09,200
idea

1852
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:11,200
not a big deal probably not even

1853
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:12,640
relevant it was just

1854
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:15,680
i'm guessing some cheap subcontractor

1855
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:18,079
but it was the oddest shipping situation

1856
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:20,160
in the columbia mall and i was in charge

1857
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:22,240
of it and the owner of the company is

1858
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:24,000
apparently mixed up in some pretty

1859
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:27,280
sketchy shipping related scandals

1860
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:29,760
but anyway i am glad that we got to talk

1861
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:32,400
about a lot more than just the ebstein

1862
01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:34,799
case though i've made a few comments

1863
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:37,119
over the last couple of months or so

1864
01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:39,440
about how i wanted to get our focus to

1865
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:40,720
be

1866
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:43,520
a bit more diverse or international in

1867
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:44,880
scope

1868
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,400
and if you check out the interviews

1869
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:48,480
whitney's been doing at least the ones

1870
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:51,119
that i've heard it's 100 epstein and i

1871
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:53,119
get it that's trendy and obviously

1872
01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:55,200
extremely interesting

1873
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:57,119
but i saw the other articles that she's

1874
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:59,119
written and i just thought wow these are

1875
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:00,880
really important too

1876
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:04,480
and more unique so let's start there

1877
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,079
and i actually think we could do a whole

1878
01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:08,640
show on this economic hitman stuff going

1879
01:06:12,549 --> 01:06:10,240
on in the realm of controlling the

1880
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:12,559
world's food supply and forcing them to

1881
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:14,880
convert to gmo

1882
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:15,680
or

1883
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:20,240
obviously it's an old tactic the

1884
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:21,680
government working on behalf of

1885
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:24,319
corporations getting them in to plunder

1886
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resources and take over local

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distribution like the old chiquita

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banana scandal right

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but this is a lot worse because they're

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trying to remove organic alternatives

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from the whole planet it seems attacking

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countries that start seed banks i mean

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what the hell is going on here

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we talked about it with joseph farrell

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last time i believe in the plush show

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and we got to talk about it today at the

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beginning

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and i think it's a big enough issue to

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warrant

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more shows

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crazy stuff but i'm feeling good just

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really happy with where the new site is

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01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:03,520
now that the kinks are all worked out

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01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:06,240
i'm really proud of the show offerings

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in august and september

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and just really psyched about the future

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it is a great time to sign up for plus

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the new website is going to treat you

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right and we got a great lineup coming

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in this extended interview with whitney

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we talked about

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crossing the line between

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democrat and republican as well as cia

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mossad mi6 when you say a guy works for

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intelligence

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can you really peg him to just one of

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these organizations i don't think so

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and we really hit the lexner ebstine

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connections hard and deep in that second

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hour talked about lynn forrester the

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rothschild's surprising interest in

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jeffrey epstein the state of the

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investigation now that epstein has died

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whitney's thoughts on the new mexico

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ranch and epstein's master race plan

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we also got into the controversial but

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possible prospect that epstein is still

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alive that he was extracted rather than

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murdered

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questions about if the international

1931
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investigations might yield better

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results than the ones

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carried out in the united states

1934
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and also how connected to the blackmail

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network trump might be

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and has the trump administration really

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done anything differently politically

1938
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:25,040
at least anything of conspiratorial

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significance

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lots of stuff that i think is worth your

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time but you be the judge sign up at

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thehiresidechats.com

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i guess the only real higher side news

1944
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is that the joint session this month is

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going to be on the 25th 7 p.m pacific

1946
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and i will be in portland this week

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hanging with gordon white and austin

1948
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:49,279
copic i think there are three different

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meetups and i should be at all three

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what do i got to do so let's burn a few

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down right

1952
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really psyched to get a little vacation

1953
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hang with some colleagues hang with some

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listeners potentially

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and just get away from the computer

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screen because august was rough i think

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we all know august was rough for me

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can't talk about it forever but

1959
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still fresh

1960
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but alright life's not so bad i'm going

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to get out of here

1962
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maybe i'll see you in portland people

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thanks again to whitney webb let her

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know thc is the place that she should be

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checking in with once in a while

1966
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because there are plenty of great shows

1967
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that i think we could do

1968
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and i'll catch you next time

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your move nefarious multinational

1970
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:39,839
trafficking operators blackmail network

1971
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bastards and capstone cabals who have

1972
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built their houses on nothing but sand

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your

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[\h__\h] move

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you know the plan has always been to

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hack your brain

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mko just trying to drive you insane

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and they'll explode your heart if they

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think that's what it takes

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you think i'm answering the phone well i

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aimed

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you gotta keep the curtains strong cause

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you don't want anyone thinking you're at

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home well you're not you should tape the

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mail slot

1986
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and baby if i seem withdrawn let me say

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it's cause i just don't wanna go and get

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whacked maybe you should know that

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the trauma affects you like it does

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everyone

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it's just the game plan it's what the

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world's become

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they want a pat down and a swap don't

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01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:42,400
you see what's going on well now you

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know

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you're better keeping on your own cause

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you can't see

1998
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:52,640
the masters lie too much oh baby you can

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only trust yourself

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and if you think the system's out of

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touch it is and you can only trust

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yourself

2003
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i hope you know the elite aren't your

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friends

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they'll suck out everything from you in

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the end

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and if for some reason you think i might

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be wrong

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i wonder where you got that opinion from

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you gotta keep the curtains strong cause

2011
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you don't want anyone thinking you're at

2012
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home well you're not you should tape the

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mail slot

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and baby if i seem withdrawn let me say

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it's cause i just don't wanna go and get

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whacked maybe you should know that

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the trauma affects you like it does

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everyone

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it's just a game plan it's what the

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world's become

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want a pat down and a swap don't you see

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what's going on well now you know

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you're better keeping on your room cause

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you can't see

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the

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mask too

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oh baby you can only trust yourself

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and if you think the system's out of

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touch it is and you can only trust

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yourself

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[Music]

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you might think that these problems are

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smaller

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maybe they aren't registering at all

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now they know you're naive and

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vulnerable

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you won't believe all of the stunts that

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they'll pull

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cause you can see

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the masters

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01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:10,239
oh baby you can only trust yourself

2042
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:14,480
and if you think the system's out of

2043
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:29,430
oh baby you can only trust yourself

2044
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:31,280
and if you think

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01:13:37,940 --> 01:13:35,440
the system's out of touch it is and you